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Empower the pedestrian/cyclist to realize that they are responsible for their safety.

From "Lets Talk Traffic Willowdale"

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We have been one sided on road safety for decades and it is time for the others besides drivers to reclaim their responsibility.

Many people looking at their phone while walking into the street.

People with walking aid crossing anywhere they wish even the ground is wet.

Cyclists not follow traffic rules.

The teachers and parents needs to be educated for teaching the kids on their responsibilities while using the road.

For MILLIONS wasted to put in speed bump and kept reducing speed limits, we need to spend equal amounts to educate the pedestrians/cyclists that they are responsible too.

May be the pedestrians need to be tested/licensed before allow to cross the road. Cyclists definitely should be licensed.

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Profile of Y Chan
Posted by:Y Chan
1 month ago
I am a driver and a pedestrian about 50/50 so I am not favouring either side. simply put - the policy has been one-sided for so long that it is time to be fair. - it is rarely one party's fault. - share the road share the responsibility. As for cyclists, I have seen that many times at Empress and Doris, even the pedestrians are waiting for the light, the cyclists just pedal thru. Not the delivery people. And not the same cyclist. Also it happened at stop signs. BTW, If you'd like to respond, please respond to what I said, not what you heard.
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I would just offer that if you are not favouring any side, it might have been helpful if you had acknowledged this initially. But people read your idea about licensing pedestrians, and you didn't really acknowledge the role cars play, so maybe you can see how they would conclude that you are biased toward cars? And maybe listen to other pedestrians experience. Just this morning at Beecroft and Park Holme, i had someone turn on a left and nearly run into me:(
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@Y Chan If a driver hits a pedestrian or cyclist, the driver may need to go to an auto repair shop, but it is the pedestrians and cyclists who end up in the hospital or worse. Drivers still pose a danger to people in other cars. How many times have you seen the results of a car hitting another car? Rear-end, head-on, t-bone? How many single vehicle collisions occur where a driver drives into a tree, pole, ditch or building? The law prescribes that 'pedestrians always have the right of way'. Is it equal? No. Is it fair? Yes. Because the result of a collision is not shared 'equally'. Simply physics. Responsibility and liability are allocated based on who poses a risk to whom, and how much damage they cause. Drivers carry the majority of responsibility and liability under the law because drivers cause the majority of the damage and therefore pose the most danger. That is why you need a license and insurance to legally drive on public roads, while pedestrians and cyclist do not. Your idea of "shared responsibility" actually shifts responsibility away drivers who cause demonstrable harm to themselves and other road users, onto those who do not. "It is rarely one party's fault" is victim blaming. What do you expect of a passenger in a car that is sent to the hospital to have done to avoid the crash? Can there be mitigating factors where both parties sharing responsibility? Of course, but that is on a case-by-case basis and must be judged in a courtroom. You are acting like there no laws regulating pedestrians or cyclists. First, cars enforce a natural justice, killing and seriously injuring pedestrians, cyclists, drivers and passengers alike. Bylaws prohibit jaywalking, so a pedestrian can be ticketed for crossing in the wrong place, or without a Walk Signal. Bikes and cyclists are subject to the Highway Traffic Act. HTA is less strict on bicycles than motor vehicles, but there are indeed laws regulating them. Cyclists can be ticketed and fined for violating traffic laws, dangerous behaviour, and can be financially and criminally punished for causing injury or damage. You suggested to start a campaign to educate pedestrians and cyclists. As a small child, I learned to look both ways before crossing the street. In elementary school, I learned basic road safety and the hand signals. However in high school, a classmate failed her driving test because she did not know her hand signals, which should have been in the handbook. I don't know what parents are doing, or what schools are teaching now. But, the Governments of Toronto and Ontario both have safety campaigns, advising legal responsibilities and recommended actions for heightened safety. Could they be more prominent? Maybe. Can a safety campaign replace road calming? No. As we can all attest to, drivers, cyclists and pedestrians are all impatient and want to get to where they are going. I've seen all kinds of illegal, bad behaviour: jaywalking, crossing against the light, riding on the sidewalk, going against traffic, failing to signal a turn, turns from the wrong lane, broken lights, no lights, illegal parking, blocking the intersection, running red lights, speeding, birds flipped, cussing, road rage, vehicular violence, crashes... Engineering a solution improves safety for all road users because it is no longer a choice, there are consequences for actions. You can follow the rules of the road and navigate the speed hump slowly by easily. Or you break the law by speeding and get tossed while hill jumping, or get the bottom of your car ripped up.
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If you want personal responsibility, then drivers should no longer be protected by the Highway Traffic Act. Police and courts should bring criminal charges instead of lost points, license suspensions, and community service. A collision causing injury will be charged as assault and battery. Death from a crash, is minimum manslaughter.
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@Zain Eliasson To add onto this, it's disappointing that our current justice system is giving a pass to drivers who injure other road users. The Biking Lawyer shared on Instagram that in Willowdale last October, one of their clients was struck by a left-turning motorist who failed to yield the right of way at Beecroft Road and Elmhurst Avenue. The cyclist suffered a broken wrist and PTSD. Last month, with no notice to the victim, the prosecutor dropped the charge against the driver and claimed there was "no reasonable prospect at trial", even though the driver turned left into a cyclist who had the green light. [1] I live in Avondale and when biking to North York Center Library/Mel Lastman Square with my partner, we take Beecroft Road and pass that intersection. We wear bright yellow vests with reflective tape when cycling so we are very visible and we're trying to be safe, but hearing about this driver getting a pass when they injured someone makes me worry about the possibility that if a driver were to hit either me or my partner, the system wouldn't hold the driver accountable. [1] https://www.instagram.com/p/DXAKW9UEYo4
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@Vicky Huang An expected disappointment. But maybe it is a useful counterpoint against the local BIAs' complaints against the proposed cycle tracks on Yonge St. They specifically proposed that Beecroft and Doris are better alternatives.
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@Vicky Huang Oh my goodness. That sounds awful!
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@Vicky Huang This is so wrong? Where are all the "law and order" folks, or our Councillor - who constantly talks about security - when stuff like this happens? Again, I find myself whose safety actually matters to people...
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@Zain Eliasson The "beloved" ring roads round Doris and Beecroft result in cul de sacs that serve essentially as - and only as - private driveways for about 20 or so families. Meanwhile, those lots cost the city more to service than conventional street lots, and slow down traffic in the surrounding area. They not very environmentally friendly, either. I would love to see either or both opened up, with streets like Ellerslie etc acting as through streets to Yonge. I LOVED an original CITY idea of a green corridor/bike lane from centerpoint to Beecroft all the way to Sheppard. SUCH forward thinking that puts people ahead of parking spaces.
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FYI: cars crash into cars too. You are acting like traffic calming are only for the benefit of vulnerable road users. Traffic calming also benefits drivers too. Crumple zones, seat belts and air bags save your life, but people still get sent to the hospital because some driver t-boned their car while running a red light. Getting rear-ended or your front quarter crushed by an inattentive driver all gets counted by the insurance companies. Actuaries then assess the risk of crashes and the likelihood of the company paying out. Lower speeds reduce the severity of damage caused by collisions. Lower speeds increase reaction times so crashes can be avoided. Less crashes, less damage results in lower risks and as a result lower your rates.
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Guess I'll start at the top and work down from there. Not a day goes by that I don't see drivers running stop signs, coasting through right turns without looking for pedestrians, sitting on their phones while the light turns green, or stopping illegally "because they'll be just a minute". I can be walking across a crosswalk, locking eyes with a driver (if they are not texting), and they will STILL sometimes just inch towards me, in broad daylight. I agree with you that we have ignored shared responsibility for too long. It's finally time that we actually hold careless, reckless drivers accountable for their actions, because let me tell you: the only difference between a distracted driver hitting a pedestrian in a dark jacket vs. a pedestrian in a safety vest is the description of the victim in the police report. Your completely asinine assertion that it should all be on vulnerable road users is repulsive. Moreover, all you seem to want to do is make all of the pedestrians and cyclists disappear so that you can drive as fast as humanly possible down roads with no obstacles (are pedestrians and cyclists "obstacles" to you?). The fact that you think that money is wasted on traffic calming measures is just unbelievable. They are in place because people like you won't drive safely so we need to design the streets to force you to do so. And just remember, you are also likely a pedestrian at times. Do you ever walk from your car to a store or residence? Do you ever cross a street, and would you be OK if you were stopped by police for not holding a card that says you can walk there? That's worked out SO great in the past. And finally, none of your suggestions would improve traffic. Why? All of the pedestrians and cyclists who would be putting their lives at risk with your "let's make Willowdale a racetrack" proposal would probably find it safer to drive themselves. And then they'd be stuck in cars, in traffic, with you.
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@Harry Keess This response is comprehensive and summarizes the issues with this proposal well. Thank you and I agree.
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I don’t feel safe sometimes crossing the road at stop signs in the neighborhood, even though I have right of way as a pedestrian. It’s the drivers who need to be more careful on our roads.
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@Andrew Zhang And very few drivers seem to understand the concept of advanced greens for pedestrians while the traffic light remains red. I have nearly been run over at the crossing, and have had "stupid old b****" yelled at me for not crossing quickly enuf for a Nice Willowdale Mom in an SUV who must have been in a BIG rush to get to Pilates:)
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Nothing says a welcoming community like a place where people need a license to walk and cross the road. I've always wanted children to need to get a license to walk to school. /sarcasm
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@Vicky Huang you win the comment section!
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@Vicky Huang for sure! Nothing inspires kids more than "don't forget your pedestrian card on the way to the park! Remember that cars are more important than humans!"
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Someone reminded me that we have already seen 8 pedestrian deaths in Toronto so far this year.
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I get that some people are mindlessly on their phones and should be attentive while crossing the road. But the biggest issue is still, and will forever be, the drivers, especially here in Willowdale. Drivers hardly respect traffic laws, and have caused deaths and near-misses. Blame bad drivers for giving everyone a bad rep. Having a license means nothing for blantantly ignorant people.
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@Tiffany Chin totally agree. It's always like this: *driver breaking a law* "wow, that driver is irresponsible" *cyclist breaking a law* "wow, all cyclists are irresponsible"
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Profile of Jesse Han
Posted by:Jesse Han
1 month ago
"May be the pedestrians need to be tested/licensed before allow to cross the road. Cyclists definitely should be licensed." Maybe drivers shouldn't be distracted on their phones, rolling through stop signs, or making reckless left or right turns. Just because drivers have a license doesn't mean many people are good, respectful and patient drivers, whilst moving a vehicle that kills people every year.
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